Now, you say that you liked boxing and you must've admired him as a fighter. Did you feel that he was sacrificing his career? How did you feel about what he was doing?
I definitely thought that Ali was going to hurt his career and have to start dealing with harassment, uh, from the federal government because, um, they were going to use this case as an example. They were going to make an example of him. They had tried, through, uh, sport, to try to make an example of him, and because of his talent and his courage, um, they couldn't get him to lose in the ring so they had to defeat him in the courts, and use the courts as, uh, as a means to, uh, make him get in line.