Now when, after the Liston fight Clay announced he was a member of the Nation of Islam, I'm curious about what you, and the kids you were coming up with, thought about that.
Well, I thought it was a bold stand. I didn't really expect anything like that to happen. I just thought he was a colorful guy, and then he seemed to have some serious underpinnings that nobody was aware of.
OK, let me have that again, but if you could, um, have in your response something about when he announced he was--
OK, when Cassius Clay announced that he was actually Muhammad Ali and had joined the Nation of Islam--
When Cassius Clay changed his name to Muhammad Ali and announced his joining the Nation of Islam, I was surprised. I, I thought that he was just a colorful character, and that seemed to show that he had some serious underpinnings beneath all of the, the talk and exterior.