What did he represent particularly for Black men? What is that manhood image?
Well, I, I, I don't think it was, I myself thought of it as man per se, as opposed to woman. I thought of it as, you know, the image of Black people particularly. I guess there must have been something in there in terms of, you know, maybe, you know, Black man standing up. But, I, I, I took that as, a, an image for all us, you know, like, cause when I saw Fannie Lou Hamer, I identified with that too, you know, I thought it was Black people. And--