What were his--
If you could in your own words share with me one more time the ways in which Elliot explained to you that the prisons were dehumanizing. The kinds of things that happen to a man in that prison that didn't allow him to live like a man. Um, What kinds of things was he concerned about?
He was concerned about the treatment of the inmates. He was concerned on how degrading that they, um, they made the, they degraded the prisoners. They, um, they were not helpful in any way. It was as though they were creating a climate of frustration--
How did Eiliot--
--of futility. They had nothing. They couldn't stand for anything. They couldn't change anything. They just simply had to endure. And sometimes that's difficult for a man to endure day after day after day. Sometimes they begin to feel theirself, they are worthless. And that's very, very dehumanizing.