LET ME ASK YOU GENERALLY IN ALL THESE SCHOOL CLOSINGS, WHITE CHILDREN AND BLACK CHILDREN WERE BEING DENIED PUBLIC EDUCATION, WHAT DO YOU THINK PAID—DO YOU THINK EVERYONE REALLY PAID A PRICE FOR THIS, OR DO YOU THINK IT WAS ONE GROUP OR ANOTHER?

Well, if you're talking in dollars and cents I think the price was rather inestimable, but the price was there because uh, for example in the city of Norfolk I know that 185 gifted children left the city uh, when the schools were closed in Virginia, uh, that is in Norfolk city and they did not return once schools were reopened and they went off to other institutions, uh, other schools and subsequently to colleges and universities across the country and they did not return to the city of Norfolk and that was uh for, in my judgment uh, a loss of potential leadership in the city of Norfolk. Now how do you estimate that in terms of loss in dollars and cents, I don't know, how you estimate it in terms of loss of leadership. I think you might take a look at that and see what could have happened if, and we can play the "if only" game a long time.