Did you come away from Gary with a hopeful feeling?
Even if, even if objectives were not arrived at that everyone had hoped would be achieved, declarations of purpose.
I think with all that we had hoped would be achieved and would come out of that meeting, and I think there was some sense of reality that the greatest achievements would not occur then, what we were, most, ah, hopeful of was that these conventions would continue and that even if on the first encounter we didn't come to, to, to, to real and important conclusions that we would have an ongoing dialogue with this format and out of it would emerge, ah, good thinking. What I loved about it was the pluralism of it. What I loved about it was the diversity of it. What I loved about it was the fact that it brought together people who were, who had to put their stuff on the table and it had to be chewed over thoroughly and out of that, I think, I felt that if we were to be really healthy in terms of what would emerge, that that was the best environment for it to emerge because everybody had a chance to make input, no one was left out, and, ah. That's still to be done incidentally.