How did you finance it? How did you get the resources to make these survival programs work?
Hit and miss. I mean, we, we financed, there was no financing of anything. We, you know, we didn't get government money. We, we ultimately did at some point. But during those early years, we, we, we, ah, certainly were not interested in getting government money. But what we did was we begged and borrowed and stole, basically. That's how we got the money. Anyway we could.
And we got donations, just to add that. We had donations of, ah, in-kind donations as they used to say, in that some kind of poverty program lingo. We would get, ah, food donated. We would get service donated. In other words, the church would donate the space and the use of their kitchen, and we would wash dishes, and people would donate, ah, people to come and volunteer to cook one breakfast. And so we just, we did it hit and miss. We did it anyway--and it was, it was a total process of community involvement. But we literally begged, borrowed and stole.