OK, could you talk a little bit about that coalition, or people who might have been in that coalition or weren't. Could you talk about labor, if they were involved, Black political leaders, you talked about a little already, but let's talk about labor and White liberals. What were their motives and why did they become involved in this campaign in '67?
Well ah, as opposed to the, the really great support that I associated with ah, liberal causes when I was in the south, coming from labor, ah, the labor movement in Cleveland in 1967 ah, in that primary and certainly in '65 when he first ran was not, did not represent support for Carl Stokes. The liberal community was a, a, another ah, another matter ah, where he did have a number of people who ah, were very excited by his campaign. They were caught up in the fact that the sixties was a time when some of the things that they had been talking about could happen, and that, I think, Carl Stokes personified that for many. Ah, so while they, they, they represented most of the money he was able to raise. It wasn't a great deal. Ah, but ah, but it did come from the ah, ADA kind of liberal community.