OK IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN TO ORLANDO FIRST OF ALL, HOW YOU FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE MURDER OF EMMETT TILL AND WHAT YOUR OWN PERSONAL REACTION WAS, WHAT THAT MEANT TO YOU.

Well, I, I heard about it on the, in the newspapers [overlap]… OK, I've got it, yes, Well, I read of the, the murder of a young black uh, child really, 15 years old, named Emmett Till, uh, in the newspapers, and of course on the radio. And I was Director of Religious Life, at the time, at the University of Mississippi, and I knew that this man would never, whoever had committed this, would never be convicted, and there was a long drawn out trial and uh, in all fairness to the judge in the case uh, I watched some of it in the courtroom, I think he did the best he could, but the, the two men who were charged with this murder uh, were at the time heroes. Now the strange part of it is, as soon as the trial was over, uh, and uh, Mr. William Bradley Hewitt wrote a story for Look magazine showing the check that he had made out to them to tell the real story, where they said-yeah, we took him down there and you know, we beat him and then, then killed him and threw him in the river, Tallahatchie River, and so on-those people were nobodies after that, they were disgraced, which is a strange uh, uh, conflict and dichotomy in, in southern society that while they were being accused of this crime, we have to rally to their defense and, and take up money, and, and hire lawyers and all the rest. But then when it's over-look, why did you have to disgrace us like that, now get out of town, we don't really want to see you again.