Why was it necessary to form something outside of the union?
Well, the teachers' union basically, at that time, the United Federation of Teachers, they were a young organization, and basically their major concern were issues involving teaching, ah, pay issues, payroll issues, issues involving benefits, vacations, pay, ah, you know, increments, medical benefits, et cetera. They were not concerned with the quality of education in the school system at that time. And so we wanted to deal with an organization that would deal with the quality of education. What was wrong with our young people? Why wasn't the school reaching our young people? And so we wanted to deal with an organization that would be more centered around the question of providing a better educational opportunity for Black youth, rather than issues around pay and benefits like that.