And you had mentioned that you were staying in Chicago and the sense, the different sense that you got with Chicago, with Daley, and Gary with Hatcher. can you talk about that?
Right, uh. During the convention in 1972, we were staying in Chicago because all the ho--one of the things about Gary, all the hotels got filled up quick. There wasn't enough housing for the thousands of people who came from around the United States. So a lot of the delegates to the Gary Convention stayed in Chicago and drove back and forth by car. And, you know, it was a stark difference between Gary, Indiana, and Chicago, Illinois, in 1972. Because those of us that were staying in a hotel in Chicago, we knew that, ah, Daley, Mayor Daley was in charge. And we knew what the role that Daley played in the '68 Convention. Ah, you know, beating up all the heads, and police brutality, and, and there was a stillness about Chicago in 1972
--but Gary was alive--