That period after the 1954 Brown decision was clearly one in which major changes in regulations were occurring on the surface. The flagrant forms of segregation—of segregation in public accommodation and transportation—the Brown decision certainly stimulated the Martin Luther King [unintelligible] beauty [unintelligible] approach was had terrific impact in removing the more stupid manifestations of racism and segregation. And that excited the civil rights movement. It certainly, and the media, television, brought the—this film—Montgomery, the Connor type of thing into the living rooms of Americans, and the conscience of, I think, the majority of American people, was aroused being by the leadership of Martin Luther King. And one could have thought during that period that there would be continued progress towards racial justice, and there was, there was some progress. I mean one can't say that nothing happened because some things happen so, there were so many changes that younger people can't[unintelligible] the quality of stupidity, that characterized American [unintelligible] before they were born. But some things happened in the, in the ‘70s and ‘80s. We [unintelligible] backlashed and there's certainly lots of frustration on the part of black Americans that manifested itself in nepotism by blacks. And the problems that they run into today are much more insidious than the problems that we faced in the ‘5Os and the '60s that we think we have gotten over and solved. I mean, in solving the flagrant segregation signs we left the insidious segregation. The fact of segregation is we don't need signs, and we now have a kind of pervasive, deep-seated racism that's sometimes supported by liberals.