Tell me about change, then. When did you start to see Jane Byrne as something other than the ideal?
Well, like I say, it began to grow from the second day after she won the primary, we began to get indications, ah. I think that, ah, the housing question was one of the first ones that really broke open. Ah, that she was, ah, interested in doing downtown development deals and not and really turned her back on neighborhood housing programs that people were trying to get going, ah.