Can you give me an example?
Well they were shooting at, ah, they were, they would, they would shoot a person, ah, ah, on a rooftop. I mean, ah, they, they figured that that person might, might have a gun and would shoot them. So they would shoot at them first. Ah, they were using, ah, ah, they were misusing physical force and lethal force, ah, because they were, they were angry and they were also frightened.