You got to. And uh, he could tell you some stories. I mean he could tell you some good stories, some funny stories, some sad stories… he could give you all the behind the scene maneuverings that were going on then between black ministers and white ministers. Civic leaders and black community leaders. See, everything wasn't done in the open, and there was a lot of behind the—I know this, there was a lot of behind the scene work that really, helped cool this situation down. So, you get in touch with him and you can spend hours with him. You could spend hours with him. He'd be a good resource.