Once again, how did you hear about the reception for Betty Shabazz that the Black Panthers were planning, and you might tell about the history of the Black Panther Party and how you learned about it.
Well OK. There were two Black Panther parties. There was a Black Panther Party in San Francisco and there was a Black Panther Party for Self-Defense which was in Oakland. The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense which was led by Huey Newton and Bobby Seale and there was the Black Panther Party in San Francisco, ah, which was led by another group of, ah, young brothers. And I was under the impression at that particular time that the, ah, San Francisco branch of the Black Panther Party which was organizing the, ah, sister Betty Shabazz's, ah, ah, welcoming committee, ah, were a part of the, ah, Black Panther Party in Oakland. But, ah, just what happened is that Bobby Seale and Huey Newton came to an organizing committee meeting. And, ah, I seen them there and I was very impressed with the way they, ah, carried themselves and articulated their positions which were, ah, much more sound and much more in tune with the community than that of which I had, ah, ah, encountered with the, ah, Black Panther Party in San Francisco. So from there, ah, ah, I began to become a part of, ah, the ideals of, ah, the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense which was, ah, under the leadership of, ah, Huey Newton and Bobby Seale.