OK, can, can you tell me what the thinking was, what the strategy was behind trying to bring an appeal of the court order to the Supreme Court?
Well we felt that where, ah, the Supreme Court had already ruled that you couldn't bus a child past the school closest to its home based on skin color. Ah we felt that an appeal based on that fact would be readily heard and approved. I mean the facts were there. Children in Boston were being bussed by the school closest to their home on the fact of the color based on the color of their skin. There were no two ways about it. You could give it fancy names. You could call it, ah, school assignment based on geocodes. But when you came right down to it, the geocodes that were drawn up were drawn up based on skin color. And seeing that the Supreme Court already said that you could not do that, we felt that the federal court order, the desegregation order as being carried out was illegal. They were going against a court order that had already said you couldn't do that. It seemed so simple at the time. And we felt so righteous and so, um, it was such a simple problem you cannot do that so therefore change it, you know. Do a, do a school desegregation plan based on something else. There are many, many ways that you could have desegregated the Boston Public School Systems without busing children back and forth across town.