Dean Epps, my parents told me I had to work twice as hard to make it, to get a good education and all that. What was your reaction to, I mean, what did your parents tell you and what was your reaction with the students rebelling in '68?
Yes, I had, I had very vivid memories of my--
I had very vivid memories of my parents telling me that, ah, for a, a Black person in the United States the best way out of the ghetto was through education. And they empha--