Tell me about the last time you went to the yard, the confrontation with Oswald.
The last, that Sunday, and the last day that we went in prior to going in, ah, Oswald had shared with us a letter that they had given to the inmates which literally had said that we, the observers, had agreed that they should accept the points and should give up and, and the letter misrepresented the observers group and as Chair of it, ah, we had literally been set up, ah, that if we went back in there many of us felt we may be attacked by the, ah, inmates and we shared that with Oswald that he had betrayed us and really jeopardized our lives. And so when the five of us who had agreed to go back because at that particular point a number of the observers did not want to go back in. And five of us agreed to go back in because we thought it was important that they know we did not lie to them and that we did not betray their trust. When we went back into that yard, ah, they had tears in their eyes. And they told us that, ah, they had trusted me and, and, and they trusted us collectively and we had betrayed them, you know, and the anger and the frustration, ah, was very clear and, ah, thank God to a former Puerto Rican inmate who, ah, said to them, that listen everywhere Brother Eve has gone, I have been with him. He's not had any conversation with anybody without my being present and what you're doing is falling into a trap that if you hurt him or any of these observers they will come in and use that as a justification for killing all of us. And he said, "Don't do it!" You know, he said, "The brothers have been true," you know. And he really played a major, I mean, a significant role in really calming down the tensions and the animosity and obviously maybe even hatred that had been developed by the inmates in the yard for us. So, that was, to me the most difficult visit and the most frightening and concerning period that I had in the whole experience.