After this you were taken into the yard. You went in the yard with the deputy commissioner. Describe what you saw.
Yeah, after the massacre, ah, the deputy commissioner took us into the yard and told us why they had to do what they did. They described a inmate cutting up the reproductive organs of a hostage and putting it in his mouth in their clear view with all of those troopers watching. They told us of another inmate that, ah, attempted to kill a hostage with a knife and they had to shoot him. Ah, and they showed us the inmate on the table whom they had on his back with a football res--resting on his neck, ah, and it was Big Black and I remembered, ah, him as the brother whom, I got to, to know in that yard and really love and, ah, we had embraced and, and, and, and cried on the last day, that Sunday, and I said, you know, that, that, that doesn't seem like Big Black. But it was told to you very convincingly and, ah, ah, to the degree that you believed it. And that's something that really, almost destroyed me that I really believed the lies that they had told. And then they showed me five inmates who were spread, spread eagled and buck naked on the ground and that they had committed crimes against the hostages. And, ah, I saw Barkley from Rochester and remembered him because I saw him so many times in yard when he would say he wanted a plane to a non-capitalistic country, you know, ah, and so, ah, it was just a, a, a, a, story telling of what they did to us, ah, to try to justify the course of action they did. And as you know subsequently the medical examiner from Rochester said it was all lies. Everything. That officer Quinn's reproductive organs were shot off by a shotgun, ah, by the state and not, ah, by a, a, ah, an inmate, so it was just a, a, horrible thing that the state did in trying to justify, ah, the worst massacre this nation has seen in this century.