OK, we're in the fall of 1967 in Ocean Hill-Brownsville. Can you remember, what was the reaction of, of teachers when Rhody McCoy was chosen to be the, the unit administrator of this new experiment?
Well, I d- I couldn't say what the reaction was to Rhody McCoy. Rhody McCoy was basically not known. I don't think it was Rhody McCoy who created the reaction, ah, so, ah, I'm not sure--
--that's the right question if you want to ask me that question, because Rhody McCoy--
--wasn't, I mean, we, nobody knew who Rhody McCoy was. He, he had been the principal of, of a six hundred school.