What about as a Black officer - did you receive any, any special treatment, either negative or positive from--
OK, so you're a Black police officer, you're not even just police--so what's it like.
Being a Black police officer during that time was an extremely difficult--it was extremely difficult. Um, Black people would look at you and they'd call you a Tom, you're a Tom, you're doing your job but you're a Tom. Your fellow White police officer would look at you to see if you were going to do your job, OK? So there you were - here's a White police officer who was concerned about the Black officer next to him, as opposed to just being concerned. And then there are the people that you're dealing with who are saying that, ah, you're an Uncle Tom because, ah, you were a police officer. Ah, they didn't realize what this was really all about. They looked at the uniform and they saw that you were Black and you were in the uniform so you were the enemy.