In relation to Carl Stokes specifically, did you have to convince people about Carl Stokes? What questions would they ask of him, what would you tell them?
Well I would relate back to the fact that he was a state legislator and had a bachelor of science degree, was a graduate of law school, and then I would compare his, ah, academic qualifications to other White leaders who had, who they had accepted. I pointed out that one of the ah, presidents of City Council was a high school dropout. Ah, and ah, also I ah, I mentioned to them that I had never ah, heard the Black community question the qualifications ah, the academic qualifications of, of White representatives or, or White, ah, persons who came into our communities seeking our support. OK.