I'm going to ask you that once again. He went to undergrad I think at University of Minnesota, so you can just say he went to college and law school. Did people ever question Stokes' qualifications when you went out?
That was, that was it, ah, they would a--they, they would question his qualifications. Ah, now mind you at the time we did not have brochures, ah, with Stokes' qualifications. We, we were not wearing these, we were just saying Carl B. Stokes is a candidate. And but now mind you, he was a Ohio legislator first and, ah, we felt at the time we thought that, ah, this was qualifications enough to become mayor.