Interview with Joseph Gardner
QUESTION 8
JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

I would like you to tell me what happened the day after St. Pasqual's church.

JOSEPH GARDNER:

Well the day after, ah, St. Pasqual's, ah, ah, the situation rather at St. Pasqual's with the booing and--

JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

Let's start again so you can get a little fresher--

JOSEPH GARDNER:

OK, ah, the, the events that took place at St. Pasqual's, ah, Sunday when, ah, ah, Vice President Mondale and, ah, Harold Washington attempted to attend service there. The aftermath of that was a very strong reaction, a very, ah, ah, positive reaction for the campaign. Ah, what we saw in the aftermath was a, a definite upsurge in the number of contributions from Whites, ah, ah, people of Jewish faith and so forth. As a matter of fact, ah, I remember reading a couple of letters, ah, where, ah, individuals who, from their name and seemed to be of White ethnic background, said that I don't particularly support your candidate but I'm embarrassed about what happened in a Catholic church. I'm a Catholic and I feel very embarrassed that that happened in the city of Chicago in 1983. So, I think that, ah, ah, that reaction, ah, was kind of typical, ah. There was an increase in contributions, I think from, ah, Whites, ah, individuals who had not been supporters of the campaign and maybe didn't even vote for Harold, ah, the national reaction, ah, was obviously very embarrassing to the city of Chicago. Ah, in, ah, many of the reporters harkened back to 1968 and other, ah, ah, situations that were negative to Chicago, ah, because it brought racism out in its most ugly form at a Catholic Church on a Sunday. So I think that in the long run, though, the campaign benefitted from it because it made people start looking within themselves and saying "Why am I opposed to this man? Is it, is it because he's Black or is it just that I feel that, ah, ah, an otherwise, unknown individual, Bernard Epton, is more qualified to be mayor than, ah, Harold Washington."

JAMES A. DeVINNEY:

Lets stop down there and see where we are on this roll,