WHAT WAS ART HANES LIKE AS MAYOR, DO YOU REMEMBER?
Yeah, he was one of those radical mayors. I think it's him and his son was a lawyer. He wasn't-he was back, he wasn't too much more better than Bull Connor, back in that day. But things really started changing when Boutwell got in. And it didn't go too far then, but it did turn a little back to center from when-then when David Vann got in there, that's really when it started going on the right track.