When you got there, can you remember, you mentioned Arthur Davis for example, what gave you a sense of Blackness there.
I was surprised when I first went to Howard. I mean I expected it to be embroiled in this political ferment because so much had happened of course by 1965. Ah, that was not true for the most part. But there were some very important people that I met, students and professors, ah, who were involved in all kinds--things going on, the things I was interested in. Tony Gittens certainly was one who I worked with on the newspaper as a, as a freshman. He taught me a great deal. Adrienne Manns was another one. And I had classes like Arthur Davis' class. And I think it was called then Negro Literature at that time. But it was the very first time that I had read in a systematic way, Black literature and Black writers. And Arthur was absolutely wonderful because he also knew so many of those writers. He had been involved in the renaissance during the '20s and had all kinds of stories. He's a wonderful teacher. And it opened a whole new world for me. So that was a very, very important experience and certainly is one when I look back which had a great deal to do with my, with the path that I took afterwards.