Go back in time 1966, '67. When you first got on campus what disturbed you so much about what you found there?
The way they treated students.
Incorporate my question. What disturbed me so much was--
OK. Good. When I fir--when I got to Howard, ah, back in 1965, um, what disturbed me so much was the way they treated students, the way the Howard administration tended to treat students like children. As though, we couldn't take care of ourselves and, and their job was to, ah, to make us, ah, more cultured, ah, Black people, that they felt that we were these negroes from the field and that we were to be treated like kids. And I found that absolutely insulting. I found the whole idea of this, ah, the largest, most prestigious Black institution in the country, ah, wanting to view itself as the "Black Harvard" as opposed to setting out its own identity. And in general I just found their whole attitude condescending towards students and it was insulting and just something that, ah, you know I thought shouldn't be stood for.