Were there friends of yours or people you knew who had gone over and been drafted, in that, is there a personal connection?
Well between, ah, the time I got out of high school and when I came to Howard, ah, I went to school at night and I worked. And so I had a lot of friends in Brooklyn, ah, who were not, didn't go to college either. And I did have friends who were drafted and one or two who were killed in Vietnam. So there was that kind of personal attachment, an identity I had with, ah, how terrible the war was.