Interview with Dorothy Graham
QUESTION 14
MADISON DAVIS LACY:

I need you to put McDuffie, his name, in the answer you give me, but tell me, "Yeah,, I remember the McDuffie situation." And do you feel the any as a Black woman for him?

DOROTHY GRAHAM:

I remember the McDuffie verdict and I feel that Black women who have Black sons, they must be fools because there seemingly is no justice for a Black man**. Really, as soon as our Black men in this area get to any point at all, they're cut down one way or another. McDuffie, ah, that decision made you feel as though there's no point in having Black male children because there's no justice for them. The young man, the, we had nothing to prove anything in the McDuffie case because the people who beat McDuffie up turned state's evidence, and then when it's time to have proof, there's nobody to give the proof, see, so, this happens over and over again in, in so many, so many ways, and, ah, it just means that you have to learn to fight, you have to learn to get what you are supposed to have without waiting, but you have to learn the justice system, you have to learn your civics, you have to understand these things and the way they work, and so much is subtle, you know, so much is decided over a cup of coffee, and this is when the average Black person is working, this is when the decisions are made, and this is what makes it so very difficult. Because Black people are simple, loving people, generally speaking, who are not violent, generally, and they're not sophisticated enough to recognize when they're being taken advantage of. I don't mean that we're stupid, but they're just little things that we do not detect, we don't expect and therefore we're not ready for them. And this is why I feel that if you can get more of your Black children together, and teach and push and have them understand, I think that they would not, this is why I worry about integration, you see, we're not getting what we need. We're being passed over. This is, this is, this is what worries me.

MADISON DAVIS LACY:

Thank you. I think that is it.