YOU, UH, HINTED AT IT A LITTLE BIT, BUT IF YOU COULD BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT COMPARING UH, JIM CLARK AND WILSON BAKER.
Well, I found uh, uh, Jim Clark and Wilson Baker to be somewhat different. I'm sure they had their own tensions uh, themselves between them, themselves. But uh, Jim Clark, I, I think was adamant uh, and uh, couldn't see beyond his own philosophy and practice. Whereas Wilson Baker, it seemed to me, uh, although at first I thought he was just as rigid, was really trying to understand another point of view. He certainly had the capacity to uh, to uh, realize that uh, we were thinking differently from the way he was thinking and that we might have not, not have been all that malicious. Uh, so, so uh, I was pleased of course when he ultimately did listen. I mean you have to listen in the first place to understand and then I think he understood and uh, we rather thought he uh, was a, a reasonable man when he finally said, go ahead and march on the sidewalk. Uh, whatever it was, two or three abreast, I guess it was three. I was marching with, uh, I think, uh, Walter Reuther and uh, Archbish-bishop Iakovos of the, of the uh, Greek Orthodox Church. I guess there were three of us abreast.