Start by describing how it was like when you first got there. What did you find?
When I first went to Howard it was in 1962. Um, I didn't really know what to expect when I got there, but, but when I did get there, I found that there was a lot of stuff I had a lot of resistance to. Um, it was a very social kind of scene. Ah, there was the, the freshman sort of atmosphere. You know, they wanted to include you in these activities that I wasn't really interested in being in. Um, there was a party atmosphere, I remember that. Ah, I felt like an outsider, essentially, when I first went there. Ah, let me think about that a little bit. Um--