Keep rolling. I want to ask you, did you, did you feel ashamed? Did you feel that you had an asterisk next to your name as someone who got to college and to law school through affirmative action?
Well I felt, I felt that, ah, I, after I became aware, ah, that stigma was an issue, I felt that there were those who were going to, ah, make assumptions about me, ah, because I was a person of color. Ah, but my feeling is that, ah, ah, that was the case in 1950 when I was going to a segregated elementary school in Merchantville, New Jersey and that was the case in 1968 when I was going to a predominantly Black school in Camden, New Jersey, before Affirmative Action came into place. And I think that stigma would be there anyway. And it doesn't at all, ah, bother me in an existential sense. Because I think that stigma is very much a reflection of the values, the racist values of the general culture and I think it says absolutely nothing about me or the other participants in these programs. Ah, people that are really benefiting from programs that do nothing more than allow them the opportunity to actualize their human promise for the first time in American history.