Tell me what you think a helpful and true way is of thinking about these issues.
Well, you know, I don't claim to know the answer to all things but I, I would say that one thing is clear when it comes to Affirmative Action programs. If you're try to, to offset a range of, of patterns of institutional bigotry and institutional racism, ah, that has affected people of color for centuries in this country, the only sure way of doing it is focusing on the perceived needs and the constitutional rights of those people. You don't get at those solutions through looking at these, ah, issues through a prism of the experiences of people like Mr. Bakke. I mean one of the central problems wrong with the contemporary debate on Affirmative Action is that really represents a kind of Alice in Wonderland effect, and what I mean by that is that you wind up trying to focus on an array of issues connected to Affirmative Action which were designed to relate to the specific historical problems that people of color in this country have faced. I'm missing this--I got to go back--