So what were you thinking might come out of Gary?
Well, ah, really, an organized Black, you know, organized group. A national Black group, organized, that would be a national resource for the Black people. And this is what we were looking at. We, we had looked up on the Democratic Party as being our party, but, um, ah, we still didn't have anything that we could really identify as being our own as Black people, and, ah, we thought Gary was it.