Then you talking about guns reminded me that you were talking about one of the first times you met Stokely, and he was for non-violence, and you had a comment for him. Tell us that little story.
Ah, I told him, ah, I was--
--not really non-violent.
Start it over again please.
OK. Ah, repeat the question again.
Well, just talk about Stokely. Don't say him, because nobody can--
Uhum, uhum, OK. Ah, Stokely always was say that he's going to, he had a gun but we really never seen it either. So we were always saying, that if you really want to make it here in Lowndes County you gonna have to get you a gun to protect yourself. I think that was either my father told him that, or it came up in one of the discussions. But, ah, they would always, in our discussion they talked, and talked about self-protection. And so people would always, especially in our meetings we were afraid of the Klans, they would, some of the fellas would train local people. Not civil rights workers, would bring their shotgun or their pistol to church.