Keep talking about the trust you all--you and Fred had.
Yeah, Fred and I had a unique trust, a very unique level of trust, you know. I understood what Fred was doing, but I wasn't, I wasn't always sure I agreed with the method, of what--how he was going, his method--
Can you talk about the trust you and Fred had with each other.
Talk about the trust with fred?
Fred and I had a very unique relationship, you know it was a level of trust that was really funny. I always remember: I trust Fred, I trust his programs and things that he brought forward, but I wasn't always quite sure that I trusted his method. And he knew that, he understood that, because I guess I was more parochial[SIC], you know. And Fred was more direct. And I was always trying to cool him out, Fred says "you always trying to cool me out, you know, but just trust me, just trust me." But the breakfast program was a real example of Fred saying "We need a breakfast program in schools because kids are sleeping because they're hungry." And I was willing to set it up with him and help him set it up, he knew he had to use me to do this, and he, ah,we was--he was using me and yet I had to trust, really get down to trusting his method, I understood his, the reason, but I wasn't quite sure I understood his method, of how he was going about doing what he was doing, you know very direct. I think I wanted to be more cooled out. Ah, ah,just more porochal in the way we do things. And fred was saying "you can't change it that way." And it was a, ah hilarious way that we were operating. But, ah--