You became a policeman in 1966. What was it like being an Oakland policeman in 1966?
Well, it was a real honor being a policeman. Like I say, it was a hard, ah, hard thing to get to be a policeman, only one or two out of a hundred applicants got to be, I was very proud of being an Oakland policeman. I was born and raised in Oakland, and, ah, I tell you, we had a lot of problems in those days however. We had, ah, a lot of militancy going on with the, with the formation of the Black Panther Party and also the, the Hell's Angels were the same kind of a thing only it was another kind of a group. But, a, a lot of problems, we had riots at the different universities and--
One second, if you would look at me, just straight ahead. What was it like being a policeman in 1966?
Well, it was, ah, an interesting job. I, we had a variety of things to do. It, it was a, ha, ha, what was it like? It was fun for me. I enjoyed it.