Interview with Deborah Johnson
QUESTION 14
TERRY ROCKEFELLER:

How were you woken up the next morning?

DEBORAH JOHNSON:

First thing that I remember after Fred and I had went to sleep was being awakened by somebody shaking Fred while we were laying in the bed. Saying, "Chairman, Chairman, wake up, the pigs are vamping, the pigs are vamping!" And, um, this person who was in the room with me, kept shouting out "we have a pregnant sister in here, stop shooting". Eventually the shooting stopped and they said we could come out. I remember crossing over Fred, and telling myself over and over, "be real careful, don't stumble, they'll try to shoot you, just be real calm, watch how you walk, keep your hands up, don't reach for anything, don't even try to close your robe". ** I'm walking out of the bedroom, there are two lines of policemen that I have to walk through on my right and my left. I remember focusing on their badge numbers and their faces. Saying them over and over on my head, so I wouldn't forget. Um, as I walked through these two lines of policemen, one of them grabbed my robe and opened it and said, "Well, what do you know, we have a broad here." Another policeman grabbed me by the hair and pretty much just shoved me--I had more hair then--pretty much just shoved me into the kitchen area. It was very cold that night. I guess that it snowed. And, ah, the back door was open. Some people were on the floor in the kitchen area. I think it was Harold Bell was standing next to me in the kitchen area. They, ah, it was a police, ah, plainclothes policeman there, and I asked him for a pin, so I could pin my robe, because it was just open. And he said, "Ask the other guy." And, ah, then somebody came back and handcuffed me, and Harold Bell behind the back. I heard a voice come from the area, I guess from the dining room area, which was, the kitchen was off from that area. And someone said, "He's barely alive, he'll barely make it." The shooting, I heard some shooting start again. Not much. Just a little shooting, and, um, and someone said, "He's good and dead now." I'm standing at the, um, kitchen wall, and I'm trying to remember details of these policemen's face, say it over and over in my head, and, and badge numbers, so, you gotta remember, gotta remember. And then when I felt like I was just going to really just pass out, I started saying the ten-point program over and over in my head. Um, at one point I turned around, the shooting had continued again, and I saw the police drag Verlina Brewer and throw her into the refrigerator. And it looked like blood was all over her. And she fell to the floor and they picked her up and threw her again. I saw Ronald Satchel bleeding. I kept trying to focus on the ten-point program platform, because I, again, I wanted to take myself out of that place. And I knew I just couldn't break down there. Because I didn't know if I would be killed, or what would happen.