Now, do you remember, again, as a student back then at U Cal-Davis, do you remember the first time you ever heard about Alan Bakke and his case?
Yes, I heard about Alan--
I heard about Alan Bakke the very first year I was in medical school, but there wasn't much said other than "there was a guy who wanted to get into our class and he was really angry that he didn't get into the class so he was going to sue"** , um, because he wanted a position and he didn't want to go to a foreign medical school. He was going to sue that because they "Let minority students in in his place." Th- nothing much more than that. And it really wasn't until probably the third year in medical school that we began to hear rumors or more that in fact he had an open case against the University of California-Davis. Um, and again, it was a little bit said about that, but no real details. I remember being quite surprised that there was nothing aggressively being done at that time with the Black Bar Association or some of the other groups in order to fight this because I really thought that affirmative action programs were going to be really very much threatened by that. But it wasn't until, ah, my senior year when I was doing most of my, ah, courses in Southern California and then my first year of internship at US--LSCUSC that I began to hear of the devastating news of in fact what was going on with Alan Bakke case.