But when you, when you had--
When I, you mean was I ashamed to get on welfare?
Well yes because the way I was treated the day I went there and subsequently, after then hearing all the things that they were saying about welfare mothers made me feel ashamed until I got involved deeply in the movement and realized that welfare was a right and not a privilege as Dr. Wiley taught us. Welfare is a right and not a privilege. And I really accepted that and, and, and I knew it was a right and I knew it was just, and then we began to learn, we began to learn that if it wasn't for us poor mothers, some of these people wouldn't even have jobs. We realized how valuable we was. And we learn all that in that movement, in the welfare rights movement.