Tell me about what it was like to go down in something like the occupation of Nixon's campaign office with the NWRO. How did you feel and what sorts of things would you do?
Well I felt great about going down, and Dr. Wiley called us to come down. And I felt really good when I knew we was going to go down and take over his, ah, campaign office and make it National Welfare Rights' Office. We felt good because we felt we would get the attention. Now understand me, we, we always knew that we had to do some outrageous things like breaking down a wall at HEW to talk to the employees at about different things that we wanted to talk about at that time, early screening diagnosis. But we had to do these extreme things in order to get the attention and to get the attention then we were able to express why we were doing those things, you know what I mean? Like going to jail here in Philadelphia for knocking, ah, my shoe through the window. That was because they were getting reading to cut off old people and, ah, the only way to get attention was to do something extreme after they had invited us here, told us we would be able to speak, and then closed the door in our faces. So we just went off. But I think a lot of people look at the, the extreme things that we did back then, but I think less attention has been paid to the accomplishments. We did those things but what, what happened after we did those things. People want to say, "Oh she's crazy, she did those things, she's nuts." But look what happened after doing those things.