Let's go back to 1980, May, when the riot took place over here in Overtown after the McDuffie acquittals, tell me why you think all of that happened the way it did.
Well, they, ah, some out-of-towners came in here during that time, some out-of-towners came in here. They were here. And this thing was going, going on during the trial, they came in here and I remember they're having a meeting in this 600 block, this 500 block, one morning they had a meeting there. And I really didn't know what they was up to but I remember the meeting and I remember, ah, so many people I saw in the meeting and this thing was kind of planned and it was planned in a way that wasn't going to a happy thing.