We never pretended, though, that if you tried all these options in a conflict situation, you may not get hit or clobbered. We never avoid that because it has to be pointed out that nonviolence and violence have a similarity in that those who practice either norm must be prepared to do some suffering. I mean that's not what, I realize the army posters don't tell you that, but the reality is, you know, that you not only learn to kill but you also have to learn to expect that you may get wounded or may be killed. So both violence and nonviolence share suffering. The issue is not if people will not get killed, but there's a larger issue.