Back then people said that, these programs, like the one at Davis program, are great things because they include people and bring them into the class. And I think that the shortcoming of that analysis is they forget that, when you bring in one person, you're keeping out another person. ** And the real problem that you get to philosophically, if you will, is that these programs don't work with "overqualifying" groups. If you get Jews or Japanese Americans or whatever groups that get into professional schools far beyond their percentage levels in the general population, then you confront the, the following kind of problem. You say, "You know, we don't have anything against Jews, but they're taking up too many places and we need to spread it around a little bit. So what we're going to do this year we're going to hold the Jews back a little and we'll let some other people in." And any Jew who ever faced a quota knows that that is a system that results in injustice. It does not result in fair play, it does not result in equality, it doesn't move us forward, it moves us backward. And it says to people, "You don't count as an individual, you only count as a member of a group." And, ah, I think the same would apply for any member of any group whose ever been kept out of anything because of the color of their skin. Whether they're Black and they couldn't become a doctor or whether they're White and couldn't become a doctor, it's wrong from either perspective. Discrimination is discrimination, it's not reverse and it's not positive. It's discrimination, it is morally and legally wrong.