After the aborted march in Memphis, did Dr. King call you?
Yes, ah, and, ah, I was upset because I had seen the expression on his face, and I saw, ah, Ralph of course, who was with him, he was distressed. And I just told him, I said, "Martin, I think you need to get your ass out of Memphis." And he said, "Well, darling," he said, "you know we have to keep going, this is our movement." I said, "But you haven't prepared those garbage workers like we generally have," you know. We'd send Andy in and Bayard and a few others too to get people organized in non-violence and make them understand how important it was. And these garbage workers were not, ah, trained like that. And it was really, you know, a polyglot group of men, it was a union movement. And, ah, but Martin wouldn't give in, because he just had to go back and show that he, prove that he could do, leading non-violent march of garbage workers in Memphis, Tennessee, in 1968.