There was something you told me, or I think you told Jackie on the phone, that you said this was a real turning point, in terms of his mood. In that after the Riverside speech, and after he came out strongly against the War, he was affected by the reaction, do you remember?
Yes, yes. He was very depressed, I think, he stayed depressed and he got progressively more depressed as he went along. He'd have his up times, I mean you could make him laugh and joke, that kind of thing. But I think innately he was a very unhappy distressed person. I don't think it was because he doubted the position he had taken, that it was wrong, I think he felt badly that, and a lot of people didn't agree with him. Or couldn't understand his reason for taking that stand. And, ah, it depressed him terribly and I began to see him, you know going down from that. Ah, it was a sad thing, to see wish I had been, been able to be more supportive at the end.
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