If you can give me a sense what was the Black issue?
Well, Specifically the Black issue was that Howard should exist for the benefit of the Black community. That it ought to be involved in economic change, and political change that it had a mission, say, or a purpose, a goal, that didn't, didn't allow it to just be a place where came and got a liberal education and became a member of the middle class and went on with no consciousness**. I think we called it relevance, all right, relevant to the Black community, and that was the point that we could not win, we did not win. Some felt that we could have won it, I felt that we couldn't