OK. First of all, think back when you first got on to Howard campus and give me your first impression. What were you expected and what did you find when you got there?
I came to Howard because I wanted to go to a Black school and I had read about Howard and I think one of the, the only Black doctor in our town, both of them rather, had gone to Howard. And then I had read, is it, a book that Ulysses Lee and Sterling Brown and Arthur Davis had edited, "The Negro Caravan". So I went there expecting a Black environment. You know I thought that here I would have a chance to, to see Black people in a positive role as opposed to what I had seen in high school.
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OK, give me, when you first got on campus, your first impressions and what you came expecting.
When I first came to Howard, I come there expecting a Black environment. I came out of a White high school and White town, we were in a minority. So I was coming to Howard because I wanted Black people, Black teachers, and positive role models and all of this. All right, so when I got there, well first of all, I knew I was out of place because my roommates had to have an extra closet brought into the dormitory room, right. People were going to class in high heels. It was just a totally bourgeois environment, unlike the one that I'd come from, and I, I really had never known any middle class Black people except for the doctor and teacher. OK, so I was, I felt out of place. I felt alone. I didn't have any good friends for about a year and I thought I had made a mistake. So I came there, Judy, really thinking I should leave. All right?
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