YOU THINK THAT WAS THE MOTIVATION FOR JOHN KENNEDY'S LONG NEGOTIATIONS WITH GOVERNOR BARNETT? OR HOW MUCH ALSO WAS THE QUESTION OF POLITICS PLAYING?

The, the, what I've been talking about in terms of federalism of course is politics. It, it, it is the politics of consensus. The politics of trying to make a permanent change that is very, very unpleasant to a large number of people who are in power, and by that, the large number of people that were in power I mean the white people of the south or at least the parts of the south represented by the state of Mississippi. So that's a political matter, it's a matter of political leadership to try to make that work. Of course the president's gonna win in the end.** He's got the whole armed forces of the United States. He can call in the Air Force; he can bring Navy ships up the Mississippi; he can call out the army as he did; he can drop parachuters in. I suppose he could shoot missiles at Oxford Mississippi, so he's gonna win at the end. But the political matter is politics in a deep sense of political leadership so that the change that is gonna come about, it- the change that is recognized and accepted and is not looked upon as having been imposed by force.